Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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2) Fix bombs. Make them proper short-range AOE weapons. This means the following:

a) Reduce the cost to something comparable to interdictor bubbles. High enough that buying a stack of 500 is a noticeable dent in your wallet, but low enough to use without hesitation.

b) Remove the 0.0-only limit. No more toys for just the rich alliances. Do NOT, however, change CONCORD/sec hit/sentry response, bombs are use-at-own-risk, just like smartbombs and ECM bursts.

c) Balance their damage/blast radius/etc appropriately for their new cost (remember, you can launch up to three at once).

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: BetaZ

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Any chance you guys would be willing to redistribute my Cruise skills into Torps?

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Cruise missiles are usefull for other thigns than bomber. Changing skills is nonsense.Specially because there is alot of people that woudl want to maintain their skill as they are now. So woudl be a herculean work to ask each one of the 300k players if they want a change or not for his char.


Just train torpedos.. 2 weeks won't kill anyone.

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: OilSlick Rick

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: BetaZ

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Any chance you guys would be willing to redistribute my Cruise skills into Torps?

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Cruise missiles are usefull for other thigns than bomber. Changing skills is nonsense.Specially because there is alot of people that woudl want to maintain their skill as they are now. So woudl be a herculean work to ask each one of the 300k players if they want a change or not for his char.


Just train torpedos.. 2 weeks won't kill anyone.

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What other Gallente ships use cruise missile skills?

They will if you hardly see battleships to use them on. I am not in 0.0, so if this goes through, this even more niche ship will go to the trash and all my time specifically training for this will be wasted.

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then just train 2 weeks to get into a stupid raven! And stop acting like a pathetic child!.. really that looks pathetic!

You are NOT restrained to fly only 1 line of ships. If you were then you would have something to complain..

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Stealth Bombers have had their role refocused to be anti-battleship role. They now equip siege missile launchers and use torpedoes instead of cruise missiles which allow them to inflict large volley damage against big targets and gain the ability to equip a covert ops cloak so can warp around whilst cloaked. In addition bombs have been made cheaper and the bomb launcher can now be equipped in any of the bombers high slots along with other changes to aid them.
Stealth Bombers now gain a bonus to fitting siege missile launchers instead of cruise missile launchers.
Stealth Bombers can fit and use a covert ops cloak allowing them to warp whilst cloaked.
Stealth Bombers now have a 15% bonus to damage for racial torpedoes per covert ops skill.
Stealth Bombers now have a flight time and velocity bonus to torpedoes. The power grid and cpu fitting attributes have been adjusted for all Stealth Bombers.
The base velocity of Stealth Bombers has been increased.
Bomb launchers can now be fitted to any high slot on the bomber.

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Originally by: Master Hu

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As far as the new build, the SB really needs the explosion velocity at 20% in order to be even remotely effective like you want. I understand that you just want everyone in faction warefare to use them but the bomber will not be as effective as you want. This is going to be a wasted effort and the only thing accomplished is you will irritate more paying customers.

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Originally by: Alhambra Rainwalker

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Edited by: Alhambra Rainwalker on 16/04/2009 18:32:38

Originally by: Spc One

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Just tested the "new" nemesis covert ops / stealth bomber.
It totally sucks.. my torpedoes now go to max 35km instead of cruise missiles going above 80km.
A frigate that can't hit frigates ? how is this possible ?
It should have a range bonus for torpedoes so that torpedoes fly at least 80km or more (same as cruise) and a explosion radius reduction so i can hit frigates not just battleships.

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You want a ship that¦s good against everything? As for range issues, use javelin torpedoes and voila lots of range.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Originally by: Yun Kuai

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On a side note, I thought we were going to have anywhere from 60km to 130km with the torps? My max range is only 35km granted i have low missile skills,but can someone fill me in as to why i have such low range?

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Important skills:

Missile Projection - increases missile flight time
Missile Bombardment - increases missile velocity

With these both at level 5, then you will have the 4,500 m/s missile velocity and 13.5 second flight time.

Using T2 javelin torpedoes combined with rigs can increase that to the maximum range above 100km.

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OilSlick Rick > is there a bug wth missile rig calculations or something? I put on two Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I and the missile attributes never change. I take them off and reads the same. Where is the fabled 100+km torps on stealth bombers?

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Originally by: Therow

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C
With that, ill go jump off a bridge and light my self on fire.

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Originally by: Marlenus

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My alliance ran a small wormhole operation today, hunting sleeper hunters. It was a small all-frigate gang to maximize mobility through the wormholes, and they took along a couple of SBs to stiffen up their DPS.

I wasn't there, but the word from the op commander was that the SBs were "pure win" in their current configuration. They were melting big ships like never before and they even deployed a bomb that took out a swarm of drones.

Just thought I'd drop this in here to lighten the unrelenting negativity. The SB in its current form is obviously not making everybody happy, but it's making some people very happy indeed.

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Originally by: Marlenus

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Originally by: OilSlick Rick

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Originally by: Marlenus

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My alliance ran a small wormhole operation today, hunting sleeper hunters. It was a small all-frigate gang to maximize mobility through the wormholes, and they took along a couple of SBs to stiffen up their DPS.

I wasn't there, but the word from the op commander was that the SBs were "pure win" in their current configuration. They were melting big ships like never before and they even deployed a bomb that took out a swarm of drones.

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This thread is really about pvp, not pve.

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And your point is?

I think you failed your reading comprehension roll. "Hunting sleeper hunters" is PvP. Or, have you seen sleepers with drones out?

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Originally by: Onizuka GTO

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Edited by: Onizuka GTO on 24/04/2009 13:19:12

Originally by: OilSlick Rick

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How about less sarcasm next time.

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sorry

p.s: nothing wrong working for the government, recession-proof, free health care, annual bonus, tax discount....what is there not to like? :p

ok i'll stop now. promise :)

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Originally by: Marlenus

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Proof is in the pudding, I finally got to take my Manticore out on a hunting trip last night with the boys from TEARS. It was a small worm-hole diving gang, just four or five of us, with an electronic attack frigate, a HIC, a covops, and a couple of HACs. SB worked well as supplemental DPS and auxiliary scout. We were light on DPS even so, for the heavy tanked sleeper-hunting battleships that we caught; but I was personally satisfied that the SB has a useful role in its current form. It was fun to fly and contributed magnificently to the evening's entertainments.

There's plenty of room to argue about the changes, but anybody who says it's currently sub-par or useless either (1) hasn't tried it; (2) tried to use it for the wrong things; or (3) is trolling.

My personal prediction is that it's a tiny bit overpowered now and will suffer small nerfs in the mid-range to long-term future.

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Originally by: Dibsi Dei

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Originally by: Onizuka GTO

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Originally by: Dibsi Dei

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I dunno, in null sec it is possible with dropping a bomb and warping off.

Seriously though stop whining about stealth bombers. We wtfbbq ships of all kind with stealth bomber support in our every op.

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But why do a pointless and suicidal action as to attack a blob of such size that would do nothing but annoy them?

seriously stop defending about stealth bombers.

Just because you have a success in using the bomber in one kind of situation where any type of ship can also perform just as well doesn't mean it is justified to change an established ship type with an a completely difference weapon system and attributes without prior testing.

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But any type of ship doesn't perform just as well as stealth bombers. No other frigate delivers 500dps to 50km. That is why they are irreplaceable in small gangs and I love them.

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